Airdrieonians Football Club vs Lord Lyon

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Sammy
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Airdrieonians Football Club vs Lord Lyon

Postby Sammy » 16 Apr 2015 11:57

What do you guys make of the case of Airdrieonians FC, who have been contacted by the Lord Lyon's office that their badge is a "heraldic device" and should be registered as such or they should cease to use it, if they fail to do this they might face prosecution. However as the badge in question contains the letter A.F.C. they cannot register it!
Full story Here
http://www.airdrietrust.com/savethebadge.html
here:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/foot ... -1-5408847
Didn't find anything on the Cout of the Lord Lyon's Website though
http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp

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Re: Airdrieonians Football Club vs Lord Lyon

Postby PaulJames » 16 Apr 2015 17:28

I think Lord Lyon's interference is outrageous and the club should have challenged it in court under Human Rights legislation (freedom of expression).

Lord Lyon can't have it both ways. Either this is a proper heraldic device, in which case he should be prepared to register it, or it is not, in which case it should be outside his jurisdiction. But in any case, in 2015 his jurisdiction should not extend to being able to stop people from using logos which happen to include a shield shape. The right to free expression should surely override archaic semi-feudal laws.

If Airdrieonians was using someone else's coat of arms, or badge or logo, that would be a different matter. Usurpation of arms is akin to copyright violation. But this is a distinctive symbol which has been in use for decades. Why has it suddenly become a problem?

Having said that, I think many football club shield-based badges are pretty poor (including this one), but that is not the point!

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Re: Airdrieonians Football Club vs Lord Lyon

Postby Sammy » 16 Apr 2015 19:33

Yes, I think it calls into question the difference between a coat of arms and a logo/brand, and what exactly makes a heraldic device, ie if the shield shape of the badge was a circle (unusual in Scottish heraldry) would that make a difference?
What will this mean for anyone else who uses a shield shape or paraheraldic logo?


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