Are these the arms of a city?

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StuE
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Are these the arms of a city?

Postby StuE » 24 Dec 2010 16:50

Does anyone recognise these as the arms of a city? They could of course be personal arms.

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Re: Are these the arms of a city?

Postby VoronX » 11 Jan 2011 00:31

I don't know much of the subtleties of shield shape and the crown, but It seems to correspond to "Davison".

from An alphabetical dictionary of coats of arms belonging to families ..., Volume 1 By John Woody Papworth, p. 757:
Or a fess wavy betw six cinquefoils gu Davison Newcastle on Tyne Davison Lanton and Swarland Northumberland Davison Piero point near Farnham Surrey


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also:
http://heraldry.100.vg/2010/10/20/Davison-lastname-origin-genealogy-heraldry/

http://www.sandmartyn.freeserve.co.uk/Heraldry/roll01/lhsnc.html (twice, Davison and Railph Cocke, 1/3 way down page)

The area of Niagara is where many Loyalists fled during the American Revolutionary War.

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Re: Are these the arms of a city?

Postby StuE » 03 Apr 2011 18:10

Belated thanks VoronX ! Do not seem to get emails when there are replies to my posts.
I think your last link could be on the money as there definitely appears to be a the lower part of what could be a dove rising out of a coronet on the seal.
# Cocke. Railph
# Arms: ___, a fess wavy between six cinquefoils ___, for Davison; impaling ___, a plate between three cocks, for Cock.
# Crest: 1st. Out of a coronet ___, a dove rising ___, holding in its beak a wheat stalk bladed and eared

The bit about the Loyalists is also interesting. I will add your findings to the information attached to the seal and let the owner know and also contact the owner of the Newcastle cathedral site to see if he can shed any more light on the subject.
Thanks again
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Re: Are these the arms of a city?

Postby StuE » 15 Jun 2011 12:37

Well done Voronx - it appears you were right about the Davison coat of arms. I got the following iformation from the finder of the original lead seal:- "I Just visited a fellow detectorist in town who has found a number of artefacts from the Revolutionary War period in a site which is the only known Rev. War site in our town. It is known as Brant's Spring and was a watering hole for Butler's Rangers and others traveling in this area on their way to Fort Niagara. He has three seals the size of mine. Two are identical to each other and have the inscription Albert Davison, Broker, London and the other has a shield like mine , only smaller, with the six cinquefoils separated by the banner three above and three below with the crown and raven on top. All three in beautiful shape. These may confirm the information in your e-mail that the crest was from the family of Davison. My seals were found about three miles out from these, along the same route that was normally traveled in that time. A Butler's Ranger button had been found near my site and may indicate another Rev. War period site, which. could date my seals to that period as opposed to War of 1812 period. I think that my King George seals date prior to the dropping of the House of Hanover from his shield and would likely indicate Rev. War material"

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Always interested to hear & see insignia on cloth and bag seals
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Re: Are these the arms of a city?

Postby StuE » 20 Jun 2014 13:35

Please do not use the links for 'ourpasthistory' above - they are no longer valid and have been taken over with spam.
Please use 'Bagseal.org' links instead - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3239
Thanks Stu
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